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midwinterblossom:

@april-rainer just explained that she likes the fact that Locke is always having a worse day than she is. Her friend said, “Yes, but the question is: is he having a worse day than Lymond?” 

Now that one is debatable. I guess it depends on the day: Lymond never got put in a barrel of horse piss, but Locke has a Jean. And Jean makes anything better.

I’m just going to reiterate: if you like Dunnett, and you like buckles being swashed, you need to go read Scott Lynch’s The Lies of Locke Lamora.

Also this is a legitimate question and I’ve often wondered if Jerott or Will would have been like Lymond’s Jean, if only they’d managed to continue growing up together.  Instead of, you know, Flodden and the ensuing crazy.

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"But I wasn’t anywhere near him…"

EXCUSE ME HDU

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"Quarreling with the Prince of Barrow was like fighting a curtain."

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This might actually be my favorite line in the whole series because it’s just… how has no one thought of that before? That expression is perfect!

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Are you willing to be wooed, sweet Marigold?

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"The women were already drawing lots for you when you left."

"And you won?" His eyes matched his words.

She bit her lip, the first sign of discomfiture she had shown. “I came because a visit from Tom would be dangerous. Whereas a visit from myself would be merely … compromising.”

"God, how patriotic," said Lymond. "And considering the relatives you have, what fool would imagine you’d come to talk politics—-Damn it," he added with a sudden interest. "Only the ladies?"

Her voice remained level. “No.”

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*draws hearts around his everything*

I know that there are people who like Lymond as a flawed character, as a damaged and problematic figure, but to me he is perfect.

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can’t he be flawed and perfect

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This is one of my favorite scenes from, like, anything ever.   I love how he’s just like, “Oh, gee, I hope nothing too serious happens because I’m here to GET DRUNK AND LAIIIIIID BITCHES and also protect Scotland’s interests with my life if necessary

I can never tell if we’re meant to read Lymond’s sexual appetites as one of his flaws or not.  I mean, he obviously uses his sexuality, as he uses everything else about himself, and since he will take any tool to hand (heh, phrasing) if necessary without regard to the cost, it certainly gets warped a few times: Joleta, the Aga Morat.

But I’ve always thought we weren’t quite meant to put Lymond’s dalliances in the same “uh-oh”/”flawed moral character” slot as his occasional bouts of excessive drinking, and certainly not his opium addiction.  I think it’s significant that it’s his sexual chasteness in combination with his emotional denial in Ringed Castle and Checkmate that start to take physical tolls on his health.  Sex is healthy and good, in the right context (and we should talk sometime about Oonagh and Guzel and how even though sometimes other characters talk shit about them, there’s no slut-shaming that I can recall in the authorial voice.)  And I’ve always been taken with that line he says to Margaret Lennox, when she mentions her lover in the Tower, something like, “What of [my own lovers]?  Mine all have whole necks and go to bed with me for joy, not lions on their quarterings and galloons on their underwear.”  Francis, when he is ostensibly at his freest in GoK, isn’t chaste (although this is the only mention we get of his lovers, besides possibly Molly, since the others aren’t relevant); and thinks that you should sleep with people, apparently, because it’s fun and makes you both happy.  

*stars in eyes*

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fandom-frenzy:

but only because he has known the knife now for five years

You guys will never know the noise I made when I saw this
It was something like hNRGGRRRRRRFFFFNNNNnNNGGGHhhhh

fandom-frenzy:

but only because he has known the knife now for five years

You guys will never know the noise I made when I saw this

It was something like hNRGGRRRRRRFFFFNNNNnNNGGGHhhhh

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"His manner, irritatingly, was quite impeccably charming."

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Everyone always, The Ringed Castle (and The Lymond Chronicles in general). (via nosey-nate)

That’s it.

That’s the book.

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So I refer to Marigold as “Marigold” all the time because haha six-foot-whatever-inches-superhot-redhead-I’m-not-going-to-pass-that-up, but it’s made me think about what Lymond calls Will Scott a lot more, especially in light of sgriowrites’ observations about Lymond’s semi-intentional (?) manipulation of the perception of his own sexual preference and what everyone thinks Will Scott is actually following Lymond around for (hint: it’s dat ass.)

So I spent some time poking around in the text and came up with a few interesting observations.

1.) The last time Francis calls Will “Marigold” is at the Ostritch Inn, when he is castigating Will for being too drunk (“Dronken, dronken, y- dronken, a wilted and forfoughten Marigold”).  Shortly afterward, Will [DOES THE THING AT THE CONVENT] and leaves Lymond’s service (or at least thinks he has.)   Lymond never calls him Marigold again, which is interesting.  Sundered trust, broken relationship, or respect at last?  More importantly, with Francis, who the sweet hells can tell the difference?

2.) Secondly, Lymond refers to Will as “my Pyrrha” a lot.  Now, I always assumed this was a reference to being a redhead (as when Lymond mentions that a bunch of famous historical people were impetuous in their youth and that “red hair makes it worse, of course”) and also that, in this context, Pyrrha was from whom we got the phrase Pyrrhic victory.   But today I actually looked it up and nope.   Pyrrha’s name was derived from pyrrhus, meaning “flame-colored”, so it is a redhead reference, buuuutt….

In the Greek myths, Pyrrha is a character in a tale sort of equivalent to Noah’s ark, where Pyrrha and Deucalion survive a flood in a ship and then have to create new people by throwing stones over their shoulders.   Here’s the hilarious part: Pyrrha was a freakin’ woman.  That’s right, Francis Crawford of Lymond has found yet another way to call Will Scott a GIANT GIRLY GIRL.

Even more hilariously, Pyrrha may have been the name Achilles used when he was hiding out among a bunch of women.  Implying, yet again, that Will Scott is a huge whiny baby who hides behind girls. 

What makes it even better is that Pyrrhic victory comes from Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose name also means red-haired/flame-color, and actually was a dude.  So Lymond, when faced with the choice of historical references to make, actively goes for the one that implies Will Scott is: a.) a girl, b.) his faithful wife.

Oh Dunnett.  Is there anything you did miss?

(P.S. If you’re a huge nerd and interested in text analysis stuff this copy of GoK will let you search the whole text at once God bless.)

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ofsevenseas:

They should give out medals for people who can make it through any of the Lymond books without ugly crying.

I would not medal

Nor would I

Ahahaha nope

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Seriously, what kind of mind thinks of these things and then WRITES THEM DOWN FOR US ALL TO READ.

Someone who loves us very very much.

I remember the first time I read GoK and I was like HOW CAN THINGS POSSIBLY GET WORSE and then I looked and I was only like 55% done.

She is a ninja at driving the plot off the deep end.

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llamapunk:

I mean, my main criticism is that I’m pretty sure the room was lined with men. and that there was sunshine and large open windows letting it in.  Well, ok and I think Richard really should be bigger than Francis.

#if you can’t lead- try following!

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balladedutempsjadis:

Lymond fancasting for dangermousie and weirdsociology :D

I am 1000% on board the Tom Hiddleston for Lymond train (yeah, he’s older, taller and less “pretty” than book Lymond but he has that certain something - elegance, charisma, nerviness - that I associate very strongly with Lymond.)

After MUCH thought, I decided I really like Sarah Bolger as Philippa (she played Princess Mary on “The Tudors” and she was actually really great, even in a rather crappy show!) She’s also suitably young (I think maybe the exact age difference to TH that Philippa has to Lymond) and I even found pictures of her in more or less the right costumes (given the “The Tudors” costumers’ many missteps).

More to follow, because I’m supposed to be writing today and we all know what *THAT* means!! In my next break, I will bring you my choices for Richard, Sibylla, and various others, yes?

Yes, yes and a thousand times yes! I would say it’s a very nearly perfect fancasting of the characters.

I rebloged this before, but I can’t not again, because… oh my god. SO PERFECT

Reblogging my own post because goddam they are so beautiful and perfect and *flails*

(Also I was listening to an audiobook version of DK and I’ve always pronounced it as Lie-mond - like Liesmith ;) - but the Scottish narrator pronounced as Limond like “limp” and now I feel like I have been living a lie all this time. But Lie-mond sounds better sorry!)

I swear to sweet hells at some point on LJ back in the day there was a discussion about this and Dunnett herself said it was “Lie-mond”, so the narrator for the audiobooks is actually wrong (and that’s why I haven’t listened to more than The Game of Kings, it just drives me competely nutty.)

Also I’m reblogging this gifset because AUGH MY HEARTPANTS

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"Mariotta: There will come a time when you have a chance to do the right thing.
Lymond: I love those moments. I like to wave at them as they pass by."

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master-of-foolhardy-plans:

The Lymond Chronicles. Finished. I’m not yet quite able to form any coherent thoughts or even properly stop trembling, but… good god, I was so scared that something horrible would happen and I would end up being absolutely shattered by the ending, but instead I am happy. So ridiculously happy for…

Isn’t that relief amazing at the end! Funny enough that’s what finally completely broke me down. When my husband came in as I mentioned in a previous post, it was after I finished the last line of Checkmate and the emotions and the relief was just. too. much. Happy endings aren’t supposed to make you cry… great sobbing gasps like, I don’t know, someone has ripped your heart out and then shoved it back into the still raw wound?

That final monologue still has the power to make me cry.

I cried for like two days after finishing Checkmate.  First round was because I was happy/sad (Jeroooooooott!) and then it was just because it was over and I felt like I was leaving all my friends behind.

And then I couldn’t read any other fiction for like three months.   That was THE most intense book hangover…. when my mum finished she said it was worse than the ending of several of her relationships.

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